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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:28 am |
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Quote: | I've concluded that princejude is hopeless, and that this thread is a colossal waste of time. For whatever reason, princejude doesn't even seem to be able to help himself. He withholds critical information (that he has no documentation, that his TC35 modem has an interface board), and he completely ignores direct questions, such as the source of the board he's working with. |
Hello John aka "ezflyr", am not hopeless (there is always a way out...)
Let me explain some points here:
The first GSM modem (WISMO from WAVECOM) I used late last year was different from this current one. The wismo do not have DB9 connector, instead it has a type of connector that looks like VGA connector(it has more than 9-pins) but it has a cable which you can use to connect the VGA-like connector of the modem to your serial com port. The wismo and this current modem was of the same physical size but wismo was packaged in a casing while this current one was not. When I bought the WISMO, no documentation was given, I only search for the datasheet online. When I got this current modem, I assumed that the interface board was part of the GSM modem.
Quote: | Some suggestions were given to you but you have never described your actual connection in detail. Please provide more details. |
Hi ckielstra, My connections are as follows:
I am testing with a development board, which is powered through USB (or external +5V DC supply), The board has 4MHz crystal fixed. My PIC16F887 takes its Vdd from the dev. board.
I used ATTEN APS3005S regulated power supply to power the GSM modem. I set the power supply to 5V and connect it to the two pin header (labelled +5V)on the GSM interface board. I connected the TxD from the gsm interface board to Tx pin (of PIC) in my development board and RxD from gsm interface board to Rx pin of PIC in my dev. board. GND pin of GSM board to GND of my dev. board. |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:37 am |
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Quote: | I've concluded that princejude is hopeless, and that this thread is a colossal waste of time. For whatever reason, princejude doesn't even seem to be able to help himself. He withholds critical information (that he has no documentation, that his TC35 modem has an interface board), and he completely ignores direct questions, such as the source of the board he's working with. |
Hello John aka "ezflyr", am not hopeless (there is always a way out...)
Let me explain some points here:
The first GSM modem (WISMO from WAVECOM) I used late last year was different from this current one. The wismo do not have DB9 connector, instead it has a type of connector that looks like VGA connector(it has more than 9-pins) but it has a cable which you can use to connect the VGA-like connector of the modem to your serial com port. The wismo and this current modem was of the same physical size but wismo was packaged in a casing while this current one was not. When I bought the WISMO, no documentation was given, I only search for the datasheet online. When I got this current modem, I assumed that the interface board was part of the GSM modem.
Quote: | Some suggestions were given to you but you have never described your actual connection in detail. Please provide more details. |
Hi ckielstra, My connections are as follows:
I am testing with a development board, which is powered through USB (or external +5V DC supply), The board has 4MHz crystal fixed. My PIC16F887 takes its Vdd from the dev. board.
I used ATTEN APS3005S regulated power supply to power the GSM modem. I set the power supply to 5V and connect it to the two pin header (labelled +5V)on the GSM interface board. I connected the TxD from the gsm interface board to Tx pin (of PIC) in my development board and RxD from gsm interface board to Rx pin of PIC in my dev. board. GND pin of GSM board to GND of my dev. board. |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:40 am |
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Quote: | I've concluded that princejude is hopeless, and that this thread is a colossal waste of time. For whatever reason, princejude doesn't even seem to be able to help himself. He withholds critical information (that he has no documentation, that his TC35 modem has an interface board), and he completely ignores direct questions, such as the source of the board he's working with. |
Hello John aka "ezflyr", am not hopeless (there is always a way out...)
Let me explain some points here:
The first GSM modem (WISMO from WAVECOM) I used late last year was different from this current one. The wismo do not have DB9 connector, instead it has a type of connector that looks like VGA connector(it has more than 9-pins) but it has a cable which you can use to connect the VGA-like connector of the modem to your serial com port. The wismo and this current modem was of the same physical size but wismo was packaged in a casing while this current one was not. When I bought the WISMO, no documentation was given, I only search for the datasheet online. When I got this current modem, I assumed that the interface board was part of the GSM modem.
Quote: | Some suggestions were given to you but you have never described your actual connection in detail. Please provide more details. |
Hi ckielstra, My connections are as follows:
I am testing with a development board, which is powered through USB (or external +5V DC supply), The board has 4MHz crystal fixed. My PIC16F887 takes its Vdd from the dev. board.
I used ATTEN APS3005S regulated power supply to power the GSM modem. I set the power supply to 5V and connect it to the two pin header (labelled +5V)on the GSM interface board. I connected the TxD from the gsm interface board to Tx pin (of PIC) in my development board and RxD from gsm interface board to Rx pin of PIC in my dev. board. GND pin of GSM board to GND of my dev. board. |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:48 am |
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...sorry for multiple posting, my internet service is very slow now |
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ezflyr
Joined: 25 Oct 2010 Posts: 1019 Location: Tewksbury, MA
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:22 am |
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Hi princejude,
The reason I said you are hopeless, and that you don't even seem to be able to help yourself, is that even now you refuse to tell use where you got the modem, or to post a link to the vendor. You were asked to do that multiple times in this thread, and so far you've ignored that request.
If I bought a piece of hardware that was not supplied with any documentation, you can bet that the first thing I'd do is contact the vendor and obtain it. If no documentation was available, I'd return the product.
As I said, you can learn a lot about good engineering practices here on the forum, but frankly that requires a "heads up attitude" which I've yet to see from you. If you had the documentation for your modem, or if you had a different modem that is well documented (like the one I mentioned on page 1), this thread would have wrapped up in be 3 or 4 posts, rather than dragging out for 3+ pages.
Honestly, I'm not trying to "pile on" you here, but rather to encourage you to take a different, more productive approach to problem solving. I hope you get your GSM project working, as they are pretty cool when they do work!
John |
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Ttelmah
Joined: 11 Mar 2010 Posts: 19496
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:07 am |
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It is also worth making the point that being Chinese, _doesn't_ imply data is not available. Most Chinese manufacturers, both of electronics kit, and mechanical stuff, are trying to sell into World markets, and know how vital data is. I've had motors from China, with superb .pdf mechanical drawings, and electronics with quite competent data sheets. Sometimes they are a little 'odd' with sections where translation has obviously be done by somebody probably using software, rather than actually being able to talk English, with some quite 'exotic' Chinglish, but technical tables are the same whatever the language.
Best Wishes |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:42 am |
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Ok, I will try to get the documentation or the link of the manufacturer. |
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ckielstra
Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 3680 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:10 pm |
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I'm starting to loose my patience as well because you still don't post the link to your supplier. Even when you don't want to post it, then just say so and be done with it. Now it looks like you don't take us seriously and then I'm going to waste my time on nicer subjects (girlfriend, tv, sleeping, etc.).
Just before you damage your modem a few remarks:
- I told you the modem is running at a low voltage, according to this Hardware Interface Description the logic signals on the ZIF connector are 2.65V. Even when the interface board is powered by 5V the modem module has an internal power supply to reduce the voltage. A direct connection between the logic header on the PCB and your 5V PIC could destroy one or both devices. You need voltage translation logic, or even better have the PIC run at the same low voltage.
- Even with the right connections and voltages it is good practice to place 100 Ohm resistors in series with each data line.
- Check my remarks on DTE and DCE device types in this thread. On a modem you often need a straight cable; Tx PIC to Tx Modem and vice versa for Rx. See table 4.8 of the linked datasheet for which pins are input and output.
Even without datasheets the above mentioned issues can easily be checked with a voltage meter and should have been done so by you. Just get your voltage meter out right now and double check my suggestions. Never believe anything, check for yourself.
I leave it to you to find the TC35 AT Command manual. |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:39 am |
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Hello,
The modem was sourced through www.taobao.com |
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princejude
Joined: 07 Aug 2010 Posts: 72
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:54 am |
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Thank you all for all your wonderful comments, I will try all your suggestions and post the results later. |
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